| bozonius | I realize ascii will be out soon, but is there a newer libreoffice for jessie? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| bozonius | thanks | 00:01 |
| golinux | bozonius: In backports maybe | 00:05 |
| bozonius | thanks, golinux. I tried that... nope. | 00:06 |
| bozonius | OK, I'll have to wait for ascii | 00:06 |
| muep | I would expect the flatpak package from flathub to work on jessie | 00:07 |
| muep | of course it's not a .deb but libreoffice does not do that much deep interaction with the OS anyway | 00:08 |
| muep | at least it installs and starts OK on jessie here | 00:10 |
| golinux | flatpaks are a disease and a great way to bloat your system | 00:10 |
| muep | I prefer them over deviating far from a well tested combination of packages that the OS otherwise has | 00:11 |
| muep | it's less likely to cause trouble than upgrading libfoo and libbar and some language runtime in order to run some recently released thing | 00:12 |
| KatolaZ | muep: it's easy to upgrade to ascii | 00:13 |
| muep | but sure they do take disk space compared to packages that make use of other distro packages to the fullest | 00:13 |
| KatolaZ | tbh | 00:13 |
| KatolaZ | they just make useless the concept of distro, IMHO | 00:13 |
| bozonius | is it ascii yet? :D | 00:13 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: ? | 00:13 |
| KatolaZ | ascii RC was out 2 weeks ago | 00:13 |
| KatolaZ | there is only one minor glitch known and fixed | 00:14 |
| KatolaZ | RC2 will be out very soon | 00:14 |
| bozonius | I mean the GA | 00:14 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 00:14 |
| KatolaZ | what is the GA? | 00:14 |
| specing | What people don't realise is that flatpak is a distro | 00:14 |
| bozonius | I really appreciate the care you are all taking before releasing ascii | 00:14 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: o_O? | 00:15 |
| specing | https://xkcd.com/927/ | 00:15 |
| bozonius | GA=general availabilty release | 00:15 |
| bozonius | IOW, the "official" | 00:15 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: please read above | 00:15 |
| bozonius | I saw it | 00:16 |
| bozonius | thanks | 00:16 |
| KatolaZ | bozonius: you can already upgrade | 00:16 |
| bozonius | I know | 00:16 |
| KatolaZ | and won't have any issue | 00:16 |
| * bozonius ALWAYS has an issue... duh! | 00:17 | |
| bozonius | they always find me | 00:17 |
| muep | at least the number of issues it not expected to differ much between now and official release | 00:17 |
| KatolaZ | then it won't be different with the final stable | 00:18 |
| KatolaZ | so there is no reason to wait: same outcome :) | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | lol | 00:18 |
| bozonius | so how many times have I come here with some weird problem or another that no one can reproduce or some package no one else really uses. I tell ya. ALways have a problem... | 00:19 |
| bozonius | I can almost guarantee I will have a broken something or another when you release ascii | 00:19 |
| * KatolaZ shrugs | 00:20 | |
| bozonius | (sorry, KatolaZ. I know you are very excited about this.) | 00:21 |
| bozonius | I just know my own self too well... | 00:21 |
| bozonius | I seem to be able to attract problems no one else could even dream of | 00:21 |
| bozonius | it's this affliction I have | 00:21 |
| bozonius | the computer gods do not favor me, KatolaZ. I have no idea why. | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | bozonius, you got a window manager or a full-blown DE? | 00:21 |
| bozonius | xfce | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | should go well | 00:22 |
| bozonius | Yes, it should. It reeeeeeeeally should go well. | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | I'm actually upgrading a refracta jessie right now | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | I usually don't upgrade my main system. I just start fresh on another partition. | 00:23 |
| bozonius | me too. I don't want to touch my jessie, other than to do jessie updates. | 00:24 |
| bozonius | Jessie is about the most stable thing I have around here. | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | I understand. (I guess I can replace my wheezy that I haven't booted in a couple years.) | 00:25 |
| freem | fsmithred, you have a problem on an upgrade? | 00:29 |
| fsmithred | don't know yet | 00:29 |
| fsmithred | it's still downloading | 00:29 |
| freem | maybe a bad click, sorry. | 00:30 |
| freem | bozonius, upgrade problem -.-' | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | just doing a test here | 00:30 |
| freem | I'm sorry, I did not follow the discussion | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | that's ok | 00:30 |
| freem | is the problem still here? I guess from the 20 last lines that yes? | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | no, it's only an anticipated problem | 00:31 |
| freem | ah... | 00:31 |
| bozonius | I think the technical term is "paranoia" | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | lol | 00:31 |
| freem | may I help in any way then? | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | I did almost use that word a little while ago | 00:32 |
| bozonius | like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSbSueq_KSY | 00:32 |
| bozonius | :D | 00:32 |
| bozonius | freem: I probably need a shrink. | 00:32 |
| bozonius | To think I used to enjoy working with computers and software... | 00:33 |
| freem | hum, sorry then, I thought there was something I could help with :) | 00:33 |
| bozonius | pills then? | 00:33 |
| bozonius | no? | 00:33 |
| freem | why can't you enjoy code? | 00:34 |
| bozonius | bleh | 00:34 |
| freem | oh sorry I meant computers and sofwares | 00:34 |
| bozonius | (I got it, freem) | 00:35 |
| bozonius | burn out, probably | 00:35 |
| freem | which does not say why | 00:35 |
| bozonius | rather not go there, please | 00:35 |
| freem | he | 00:35 |
| bozonius | fsmithred: Has it broken? | 00:36 |
| freem | as you wish, but, let me say that people almost made me hate real coding stuff | 00:36 |
| bozonius | Or could it still be just teasing you? | 00:36 |
| freem | and they never could put down the fire | 00:37 |
| freem | I don't care | 00:37 |
| freem | I don't code for others: I code for myself, and share with others. | 00:37 |
| bozonius | fsmithred: Please tell me it broke so I can be right for once. | 00:37 |
| * bozonius wants to be right just once. It would make him feel better. | 00:38 | |
| freem | no, you'll never be right to hate code. | 00:38 |
| freem | The Code is the only way to do things while doing nothing after all | 00:39 |
| bozonius | (I wasn't talking about that) | 00:40 |
| bozonius | I was trying to find out if fsmithred's download worked | 00:40 |
| freem | I guess.... it's a fail? | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | bozonius, it's still unpacking and setting up | 00:49 |
| bozonius | there is hope then, fsmithred | 01:22 |
| bozonius | just an update. It turns out the latest libreoffice does not fix the mail-merge issue either. | 02:55 |
| bozonius | So no rush for ascii... | 02:55 |
| fsmithred | still unpacking here. Why is vbox so slow? | 02:57 |
| fsmithred | bozonius, wicd and blueman failed to configure until after rebooting into the new kernel. | 05:04 |
| Criggie | sounds like three world-renound scientists... | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moo | 05:15 |
| Criggie | fsmithred: I only reboot when there's a couple of hours spare for phaffing about . None of this "I'll just quickly...." | 05:20 |
| Criggie | Lost my old UD database sadly | 05:20 |
| fsmithred | I started this upgrade about 5 hours ago | 05:20 |
| Criggie | but a desktop with no UPS that routinely stayed up for a year at a time... pretty good | 05:20 |
| Criggie | since Devuan, the longest is only 67 days | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | I have to reboot more often than that for dust removal | 05:21 |
| Criggie | I don't shut down for cleaning - I keep the front panel fairly clean | 05:21 |
| Criggie | Try putting case on a desk, not on the floor ? | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | it's on the desk | 05:22 |
| fsmithred | dusty place | 05:22 |
| Criggie | Mine's a SFF HP, so I can clean the CPU heatsink with the machine running | 05:22 |
| Criggie | should I feel that particular need. | 05:22 |
| fsmithred | this is just a test upgrade in a VM. I've rebooted a couple times while we were talking | 05:24 |
| Criggie | -grin- | 05:27 |
| fsmithred | how do I get synaptic to ask me for a password before it opens? | 05:28 |
| fsmithred | this is the reverse problem that everyone else has. | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reverse problem? | 05:28 |
| fsmithred | I already installed policykit-1-gnome, which fixed the more common problem | 05:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah, click on synaptic in menu and nothing happens | 05:29 |
| fsmithred | that got fixed | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by sudo? | 05:29 |
| fsmithred | but something different I did in refracta jessie makes it start from the menu without bothering to ask for password | 05:29 |
| fsmithred | no sudo | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I have no idea how that works | 05:30 |
| fsmithred | it's some pam and policykit stuff | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy | 05:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you don't want to know | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pam is ok, policykit though, errrm | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the permissions handling in all debianoid distros is fubar | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask for user password to get root, *W*T*F* | 05:32 |
| fsmithred | that's not the default | 05:33 |
| fsmithred | that's an ubuntu infection | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh didn't know | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway >> sed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/; s+user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot+" -i /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo update-sudoers << | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo ^^^ | 05:38 |
| fsmithred | on systems with just a wm I give the user sudo privs for shutdown, reboot and sometimes a few other things | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then see sudo --askpass | 05:39 |
| fsmithred | well, I'd like this to work in xfce the way it's supposed to work. | 05:39 |
| fsmithred | it works correctly in devuan ascii (task-xfce-desktop installed) | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no idea about polkit | 05:40 |
| fsmithred | but not in my upgraded refracta with xfce installed in parts | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I used it to further restrict permissions of a process so far, if anything | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my main encounter with polkit was when I looked into making a kiosk-mode system for a customer | 05:41 |
| fsmithred | time for sleep here. g'night | 05:45 |
| armin | anything to consider when installing devuan via debootstrap? | 10:32 |
| gnarface | armin: there was some bug with fdisk and rsyslog in ascii but it may have been fixed | 10:58 |
| gnarface | i had to exclude both and switch them in later | 10:58 |
| gnarface | that was months ago now though | 10:58 |
| armin | gnarface: great advise, thanks a lot! | 11:11 |
| KatolaZ | armin: there is no problem to install via debootstrap | 11:43 |
| Juesto | hey | 17:11 |
| Juesto | why is the pre filesystem/initrd very bare bones? | 17:11 |
| Juesto | it's lacking fsck | 17:11 |
| debdog | lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 | grep fsck | 17:13 |
| debdog | sbin/fsck.ext4 | 17:13 |
| debdog | sbin/fsck | 17:13 |
| debdog | sbin/e2fsck | 17:13 |
| debdog | which version? Juesto | 17:13 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: which version? | 17:13 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: the initrd this days is quite huge TBH | 17:14 |
| KatolaZ | too huge | 17:14 |
| Juesto | devuan ascii | 17:16 |
| Juesto | not sure which version | 17:16 |
| debdog | my output is from Ascii, too. how did you determine it's missing? | 17:17 |
| Juesto | because it mentions it won't check the rootfs and fails if the fs isn't okay | 17:17 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: uh? | 17:17 |
| debdog | which fs? | 17:17 |
| Juesto | rootfs | 17:18 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: which kind of FS? | 17:18 |
| Juesto | uhhh | 17:20 |
| debdog | rootfs as in "FS of /" or initram's tempfs? | 17:20 |
| Juesto | it's missing fsck debdog | 17:20 |
| Juesto | the / of the installed system | 17:20 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: that's at least strange, to not sat impossible | 17:20 |
| KatolaZ | ~say | 17:21 |
| Juesto | yeah dead infobot | 17:21 |
| debdog | ok, back to: <KatolaZ> Juesto: which kind of FS? -- which file system is used on that partition? | 17:25 |
| Juesto | ext4 | 17:25 |
| debdog | what does "update-initramfs -u -k all" return? | 17:26 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: is it missing from initrd or from the installed system? | 17:26 |
| debdog | good point | 17:26 |
| Juesto | lsinitramfs -l /initrd.img http://ptpb.pw/ovWk | 17:31 |
| Juesto | 4.9.0-6-amd64 kernel | 17:32 |
| Juesto | version* | 17:32 |
| debdog | hmm | 17:32 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: what is the name of the file linked by /initrd.img? | 17:33 |
| debdog | also: "ls /sbin/*fsck*" | 17:34 |
| Juesto | KatolaZ: can't assume by the kernel version? | 17:34 |
| KatolaZ | no Juesto | 17:34 |
| debdog | ls -la /initrd.img | 17:34 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: how did you install that box? | 17:34 |
| KatolaZ | (which ascii install medium did you use?) | 17:34 |
| Juesto | debdog: i do have fsck under the installed system but not in the iniramfs shell | 17:34 |
| Juesto | vm image because it's plug and play apparently | 17:35 |
| KatolaZ | which vm image? | 17:35 |
| Juesto | maemo leste | 17:36 |
| KatolaZ | parazyd: ^^^^ | 17:36 |
| KatolaZ | (Juesto: maemo leste is not released by devuan) | 17:36 |
| Juesto | well I'm not going to do useless noise on #maemo-leste | 17:37 |
| Juesto | i should pm parazyd | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | ... | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | #maemo-leste is precious, #devuan is not :D | 17:37 |
| Juesto | dafuq | 17:37 |
| Juesto | lol | 17:37 |
| Juesto | KatolaZ: leste ships with devuan/debian initramfs stuff | 17:48 |
| Juesto | debdog: i updated the initramfs and still no fsck, command i ran update-initramfs -u -k all | 17:53 |
| Juesto | :/ | 17:55 |
| debdog | <KatolaZ> Juesto: what is the name of the file linked by /initrd.img? | 17:56 |
| debdog | aside from that, I am running out of ideas | 17:56 |
| debdog | or someting is different in /etc/initramfs-tools/ | 17:57 |
| Juesto | package is version 0.130 | 18:01 |
| KatolaZ | no Juesto | 18:02 |
| KatolaZ | I don't know what maemo leste ships with | 18:02 |
| KatolaZ | I can guarantee for the images you donwload from http://files.devuan.org | 18:02 |
| KatolaZ | not for any derivative out there | 18:03 |
| Juesto | ffs | 18:03 |
| KatolaZ | it might well be that maemo leste provided a different initrd | 18:03 |
| KatolaZ | the initrd of images available at files.devuan.org all have fsck | 18:03 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: since it's a devuan/debian stuff, as you say, try to ask the same question on the #debian channel | 18:04 |
| KatolaZ | and see what the response will be... | 18:04 |
| Juesto | ugh | 18:05 |
| Juesto | parazyd: confirm please? | 18:05 |
| parazyd | yes, ask in #debian. | 18:05 |
| parazyd | leste does not modify the initrams, nor does devuan | 18:05 |
| Juesto | I'm trying to resolve this, not face burocracy stuff | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | Juesto: only minimal-live has a modified initrd | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | and it just removes unused kernel drivers, not executbles | 18:06 |
| Juesto | strange | 18:08 |
| Juesto | i have logged the verbose process and no mention of executables other than busybox | 18:19 |
| Juesto | it includes btrfs but not fsck | 18:20 |
| Juesto | nothing after calling hook fsck | 18:20 |
| Juesto | can anyone please try to generate a fresh initramfs separately from your usual image? | 18:58 |
| Juesto | why is devuan version outdated | 19:05 |
| Juesto | oh wait | 19:05 |
| Juesto | parazyd: lame, asking in #debian results in being told to reinstall | 19:07 |
| Juesto | KatolaZ: they don't support forks | 19:08 |
| Juesto | <t3st3r> it is, but it default configuration could be changed by maintainers hell a lot | 19:08 |
| Juesto | man... | 19:09 |
| Juesto | hey | 19:10 |
| Juesto | debdog: so apparently debian can't help | 19:10 |
| Juesto | sid and buster are the ones on 0.130 of initramfs tools | 19:12 |
| Juesto | hello? | 19:15 |
| blinkdog | sorry Juesto, I just came in, what are you searching for? | 19:16 |
| Juesto | blinkdog: issues with initramfs image not adding fsck please scrollup. | 19:17 |
| Juesto | #debian wont help | 19:17 |
| blinkdog | hmmm, I don't know enough about initramfs to help, at least off the top of my head | 19:18 |
| Juesto | apparently my system hard drive is recognized as a raid6 when it's a single laptop drive | 19:22 |
| Juesto | it's including btrfs for some reason | 19:22 |
| Juesto | please someone else try to generate a fresh initramfs? | 19:31 |
| msiism | Juesto: i've temporarily put my testing laptop out of order by taking it apart completely and then putting it back together, so i can't help you right now, sorry. | 19:52 |
| Juesto | :/ | 19:52 |
| Juesto | msiism: did i ask for your help directly? no. but thanks for the information | 19:53 |
| msiism | Juesto: no, i just wanted to be nice :D | 19:53 |
| Juesto | oh okay | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | Juesto, I just generated a new initramfs, and it contains fsck and btrfs | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | this is ascii amd64 | 20:03 |
| Juesto | fsmithred: i just made a fresh one and no fsck | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | I don't know where you would tell it to include that | 20:04 |
| Juesto | no idea | 20:06 |
| Juesto | can't find anything | 20:06 |
| Juesto | it's getting generated like that | 20:06 |
| bozonius | jessie calligra package is not working right | 20:06 |
| bozonius | anyone had luck with it? | 20:06 |
| Juesto | im using updated system | 20:07 |
| Juesto | ascii/ceres which is buster/testing based | 20:07 |
| bozonius | nvm. Calligra is working now... | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | ascii is stretch, ceres is sid. buster is tracked by beowulf | 20:08 |
| bozonius | Any way to get calligra to appear in the start menu? WPS adds itself, but not Calligra. I'm using xfce, and I would imagine that is why (calligra is koffice (KDE)) | 20:09 |
| bozonius | I suppose I could use the menu editor | 20:09 |
| Juesto | yes, use that | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | bozonius, what desktop? | 20:09 |
| bozonius | xfce | 20:09 |
| bozonius | jessie | 20:09 |
| Juesto | but note it adds unnecessary clutter in your home | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | just add a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications | 20:10 |
| bozonius | nah. I'll use the menu editor. | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | if one does not exist, you can look at some examples and make one up | 20:10 |
| bozonius | I already have enough desktop clutter | 20:10 |
| bozonius | I see your experiment brought a failure... | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | ok, I never used a menu editor in xfce. I didn't know there was one. | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | well, not a total failure, and not a new problem. | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | but yeah, synaptic and gparted will start without asking for a password | 20:11 |
| bozonius | I guarantee you, fsmithred, when I go to install ascii for real... | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | the wicd problem got straightened out | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | clean ascii install is safer, I think | 20:11 |
| bozonius | I tend to do it that way myself. Clean install. | 20:12 |
| bozonius | That way, if anything goes SPROINNNNNG! I still have jessie. | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | yup. I do the same. | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | takes me at least a couple weeks to install my main system | 20:13 |
| bozonius | Right. | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | and get everything the way I want, enough to not feel like I need to boot the old system | 20:13 |
| bozonius | And when I install a new system, I notice that much of the home directory stuff has to be massaged anyway. It's been rare when I could haul a home directory over to a new install and just have it work. | 20:13 |
| bozonius | (yes) | 20:14 |
| Juesto | fsmithred: kde apps add to applications iirc | 20:14 |
| bozonius | (but it's nice to still have it laying around for the first few weeks or months after new distro comes out) | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | Juesto, most apps will add themselves to the menu via a .desktop file. | 20:15 |
| Juesto | yes but some do hide themselves | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | lxrandr is one of those | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | anyway, I have to go out. bbl. | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | good point | 20:16 |
| bozonius | son of a gun! | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | bozonius, check if there's already one | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | yes? | 20:16 |
| bozonius | Calligra has been added to the menu. But it wasn't there before!!! | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | ok, good. | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | see you all later | 20:17 |
| bozonius | I guess xfce had to take its time and think about it a bit first? | 20:17 |
| bozonius | later fsmithred! | 20:17 |
| bozonius | thanks | 20:17 |
| msiism | does devuan officially offer any version with a freebsd kernel, currently? afaik, it doesn't. did i miss something? | 22:20 |
| Juesto | why so | 22:20 |
| msiism | Juesto: what do you mean? | 22:21 |
| golinux | msiism: Not that I know of | 22:21 |
| Juesto | msiism: do you think it should? did you read anywhere about it? | 22:21 |
| msiism | Juesto: yes, i read it in the german wikipeda and will correctit, if it's wrong, which i'm pretty certain it is. | 22:23 |
| Juesto | ok | 22:23 |
| msiism | golinux: well, you would know, wouldn't you? | 22:23 |
| Juesto | anyway | 22:26 |
| Juesto | how do i troubleshoot the issues with initrd further | 22:26 |
| msiism | apart from that, since "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set" (https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/), i'd guess that adoption of systemd is giving those people involved with it a pretty hard time (correct me if i'm wrong). | 22:27 |
| Juesto | i wonder if anyone is using hurd | 22:28 |
| msiism | Irrwahn: did you have time to check out the meet pad for tomorrow, yet? there's talk about the package description(?) quirks you were bringing up here a few days ago(?). if i got that right, that is. | 22:32 |
| golinux | msiism: I don't know everything that happens in devuan. ;) | 22:33 |
| msiism | golinux: oh, i always believed that (kidding...). | 22:35 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: the FreeBSD port in Debian seems to be at a stale point | 23:07 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: ok, good to know. maybe there can be Devuan GNU+kFreeBSd then, at some point. | 23:09 |
| Juesto | ugh | 23:10 |
| Juesto | help me with debian not supporting derivatives | 23:10 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: anything can happen, if people make it happen | 23:10 |
| Juesto | for something that we're not even modifying | 23:10 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: true. maybe hinting at potentially open doors also helps in that repect. | 23:13 |
| msiism | but ok, people know there's Devuan... | 23:13 |
| Juesto | ... | 23:25 |
| xrogaan | do we really need brltty? | 23:32 |
| xrogaan | I mean, I'm not blind. | 23:32 |
| xrogaan | so, do I really need that software? | 23:32 |
| KatolaZ | xrogaan: uh? | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | you can just remove it if you don't need it | 23:38 |
| xrogaan | oh | 23:40 |
| xrogaan | well, that's done then. | 23:44 |
| Juesto | please refrain from telling people to ask Debian since they don't support derivatives | 23:53 |
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