| golinux | Will do that asap | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| jaromil | thanks!!! | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | I just moved that thread to Admin | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | golinux, ^^^ | 00:10 |
| golinux | Ah good! Thanks | 00:10 |
| golinux | Just removed the d1h line from the development page. | 00:32 |
| fsmithred | debootstrap seems to be screwed up | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | if the only option I use is --arch=amd64 it runs | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | when I add a second option, --exclude=devuan-baseconf | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | I get the error message that http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged is not a valid script | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | if I add a third option, --include=opensshserver,haveged AND the second and third options are separated only by a comma, it runs. If I leave a space between the include and exclude options, it fails. Sorry, I forget what it said that time, and it's running now. | 00:35 |
| golinux | Commits to beta and master branch of devuan.org are not updating online. Maybe it will solve itself with time. | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, I did the debootstrap install and successfully excluded devuan-baseconf | 00:59 |
| fsmithred | sources.list is correct (only has one beowulf line) | 01:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: cool. So what does devuan-baseconf provide that we need these days... | 01:00 |
| fsmithred | but openssh-server and haveged did not get installed, probably because there was no space between includes and excludes | 01:00 |
| fsmithred | not sure - let me check | 01:00 |
| fsmithred | disable-suggests, which is superfluous | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | avoid-systemd | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | do we still need that? | 01:01 |
| Centurion_Dan | that's just a pin? | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | and sources.list.d/devuan-repository, also superfluous | 01:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | no I don't think we need that. | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | yes, a pin on systemd-sysv I think | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | well, let me check - I should not have that file | 01:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | ok, so we should be able to drop devuan-baseconf altogether. | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | right - nothing in sources.list.d | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | I think so | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | what can I try to install that might try to get systemd? | 01:03 |
| fsmithred | oh, dbus | 01:03 |
| Centurion_Dan | the only question is if it is needed for migrations from debian. | 01:03 |
| fsmithred | oh, maybe | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | what else creates sources.list? | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | is that from debootstrap? | 01:05 |
| fsmithred | if I try to install gnome in my new debootstrap, it wants to install elogind | 01:06 |
| fsmithred | :) :) :) | 01:06 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure baseconf only makes sources.list if it's not present | 01:07 |
| fsmithred | ok, if I decide that I'm ready to trash my kde/stretch VM, I'll try an upgrade to beowulf | 01:11 |
| fsmithred | oh, but I'll get the package | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | or I can pin before upgrade | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, I'm going to do it. Any recommendations before I start? | 01:18 |
| Centurion_Dan | backup :-) | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | I made a snapshot shortly after I installed it | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | and it's only for troubleshooting for a friend | 01:19 |
| Xenguy | What are you working on fsmithred ? (Just got here) | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | I'm about to upgrade a stretch with kde to beowulf | 01:20 |
| Xenguy | Now *you* are useful! : -) | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | and I'm pinning devuan-baseconf to -1 to figure out if we really need it | 01:21 |
| Xenguy | I had assumed that KDE was a no-go with Devuan, but I wouldn't know as I've never used it. | 01:21 |
| Xenguy | Sounds like you're deep on the testing side, good for you, and the project. | 01:22 |
| golinux | Backlog is here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/ | 01:22 |
| golinux | Would have answered your question. :) | 01:23 |
| Xenguy | thanks golinux | 01:23 |
| golinux | It's in the channel header so not much of a mystery . . . | 01:23 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, but after decades of using the Net, I am weary of constantly searching, so sometimes I just do the oldschool approach and ask a human | 01:23 |
| Xenguy | Yeah I know about /topic, stop preaching | 01:24 |
| Xenguy | I don't think search engines should inhibit enjoyable conversations, but these days I sometimes feel that people just want others to 'search instead of ask'. Not sure. | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | WTF? I can't use apt because systemd is using it at the moment. | 01:25 |
| Xenguy | IRC is sure less busy, that's for sure. | 01:26 |
| Xenguy | oooo | 01:26 |
| Xenguy | You sure? | 01:26 |
| golinux | This is a dev not a chat channel. ;) | 01:27 |
| fsmithred | ps ax says /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install | 01:27 |
| golinux | My updates to the website are still not getting there | 01:27 |
| Xenguy | Relentless, as always golinux | 01:27 |
| Xenguy | Duly noted | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | ok, systemd finished, I'm installing sysvinit-core, and I'm happy to see MIT repo is up again. | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | reboot is gonna take a couple minutes | 01:33 |
| fsmithred | lol | 01:33 |
| Xenguy | .oO( You an awesome wocker fsmithred ! (Stolen from 'The Pick of Destiny' )) | 01:35 |
| fsmithred | doing upgrade now. dist-upgrade failed because of version conflict with cryptsetup-run package. (a new package) | 01:41 |
| fsmithred | kitchen time. back in a bit. | 01:42 |
| golinux | Whoever kicked middleman . . . thank you! | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | debootstrap is ok. I was using an older version. | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | after upgrade I installed the newer cryptsetup, then dist-upgrade proceeds. | 04:02 |
| fsmithred | The debootstrap install without devuan-baseconf worked fine. | 05:41 |
| fsmithred | The kde/stretch upgrade did not go so well. Conflicts because of live-boot-initramfs, dbus-user-session and xorg stuff and other stuff. I'll have to try it again. | 05:42 |
| Centurion_Dan | you can replace dbus-user-session with dbus-x11. | 05:48 |
| Centurion_Dan | we don't build dbus-user-session because it is a total systemd oriented session management depending on systemd and libpam-systemd (the later being able to be satisfied using libpam-elogind). | 05:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | I might review dbus-user-session for beowulf to see if it can be built without systemd bindings and if libelogind is enough. | 05:52 |
| Centurion_Dan | s/libelogind/elogind/ | 05:53 |
| fsmithred | dbus-user-session got removed. elogind got installed. systemd got removed. so did a bunch of other stuff - I was tired and let aptitude do whatever it wanted. xinit got removed, too. | 11:53 |
| danyspin97 | https://ibb.co/VT41TD9 | 12:04 |
| fsmithred | is 66 really going to work ok as a name? | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | searching or grepping for that won't be fun | 12:12 |
| fsmithred | and congrats on getting to a login | 12:13 |
| danyspin97 | fsmithred: that's a good question | 12:14 |
| danyspin97 | http://web.obarun.org/software/ the author explains the name here, and, except grepping, it's pretty fast to write 66-<action> | 12:15 |
| danyspin97 | and congrats on getting to a login < Thank you ^^ | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | More on the stretch -> beowulf upgrade: I had to remove xserver-xorg to get xorg to finish upgrading. Now installing plasma-desktop to get kde back. | 12:38 |
| fsmithred | taking forever, but I think it's going to work. | 12:39 |
| palinuro | hello everyone | 12:46 |
| jaromil | welcome :^) | 12:48 |
| fsmithred | hi | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | are we having a party? | 12:54 |
| fsmithred | user@stretch:~$ cat /etc/issue | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | Devuan GNU/Linux beowulf/ceres \n \l | 12:57 |
| obeardly | fsmithred: nice | 13:24 |
| fsmithred | obeardly, the upgrade was kinda rough. I'll do it again and see if it's any easier if I remove systemd before upgrading. All I did was install sysvinit-core and reboot into it. | 13:36 |
| obeardly | fsmithred: I'm sure it was. | 13:37 |
| palinuro | do you think it is possible to patch snapd to properly work with openrc? | 13:40 |
| obeardly | palinuro: Possible, yes. Worthwhile is the bigger question. | 14:12 |
| palinuro | could someone please introduce me to eudev and how it works? | 16:29 |
| enyc | not sure if right channel to raise in .. packages.devuan.org 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a2 become unreachable | 17:30 |
| enyc | getting 3-second-delay !Host Unreachable ICMPs on the end network, i.e. NDP timeout machine not there, etc... | 17:31 |
| Evilham | IPv6 support on the infra is... suboptimal | 17:35 |
| enyc | ( trying to connect to TCP port 80 ... i.e. usual http:// ... ) | 17:35 |
| Evilham | what are you using packages.devuan.org for though? | 17:36 |
| enyc | frmo what i recall there was some issues with another mirror or pkgmaster and it was changged... uerm | 17:39 |
| enyc | transpiters i'm pointing at http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main etc etc | 17:39 |
| enyc | but that redirects to packages.devuan.org for some | 17:39 |
| enyc | I'm good at IPv6, what can I do to help with fixing it? | 17:40 |
| onefang | The main problem with our IPv6 support is that not all the mirrors have IPv6. | 17:41 |
| golinux | Or https | 17:42 |
| enyc | I thought, https as an orthoginal/different issue and rlelates to issues with redirects and so on ... or maybe its'not they just need letsencrypt'ing | 17:43 |
| kilobyte | 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a2 is down for me too | 17:43 |
| enyc | kilobyte: ok so can its' AAAA pointer come out of the dns for packages ... ?? | 17:43 |
| kilobyte | looks like it's the only answer for packages.devuan.org | 17:44 |
| enyc | is there a mirror-list, admin list, ...? | 17:45 |
| Evilham | enyc: I don't th ink you should be redirected to packages.devuan.org | 17:51 |
| Evilham | let me c hecked | 17:51 |
| Evilham | *check | 17:51 |
| Evilham | and indeed https is orthogonal | 17:52 |
| Evilham | enyc: could you mention *which* requests are being forwarded to packages.deuvan.org? it *really* shouldn't be the case | 17:56 |
| Evilham | you mention you are using pkgmaster, right? | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | packages.devuan.org works here | 18:04 |
| Evilham | fsmithred: you don't have an ipv6 connection last time we checked | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | oh, nope. sorry. | 18:06 |
| Evilham | no worries :-) | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | enyc, is it possible you added a line to sources.list for packages.devuan or auto.mirror.devuan? | 18:07 |
| enyc | fsmithred: seemingly not, i just hdave gm.mirror.devuan.org lines commented out ... | 18:47 |
| Evilham | enyc: what *do* you have in your sources.list? | 18:49 |
| enyc | Evilham: deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free | 18:49 |
| enyc | Evilham: and -securute -update -sbackports -proposed | 18:50 |
| enyc | err security | 18:50 |
| enyc | i can't remember the history, there was some reason changed from gb.deb.devuan.org to pkgmaster.devuan.org ... | 18:50 |
| enyc | gb.deb.devuan.org is an alias for pkgmaster.devuan.org. | 18:50 |
| Evilham | likely there was a glitch on deb.devuan.org | 18:54 |
| enyc | fair enough | 18:54 |
| Evilham | enyc: in an ycsae: it doesn't look like pkgmaster has redirects to packages.devuan.org | 18:59 |
| Evilham | and actually, right now I don't know where packages.devuan.org comes from :-D | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | traceroute tells me that it hits nexlab.net just before it hits pdo. | 19:17 |
| enyc | fsmithred: hrrm IPv6 traceroute and legacy traceroute go different apparent routes, seemingly | 21:05 |
| enyc | they could of course not be same machine being pointed at | 21:05 |
| Evilham | enyc: check the PTRs, that's what confused me specially :-) | 21:06 |
| enyc | Evilham: both cases 'packages.devuan.org' correct reverse | 21:07 |
| Evilham | maybe I got confused or they changed in between | 21:07 |
| Evilham | one was .jp earlier | 21:07 |
| Evilham | both are OVH, I guess I got confused | 21:08 |
| enyc | 14 po100.rbx-g1-a75.fr.eu (2001:41d0::60b) 25.807 ms 23.400 ms 22.650 ms | 21:08 |
| enyc | 15 2001:41d0:0:5:2::23 (2001:41d0:0:5:2::23) 23.458 ms 22.689 ms 22.609 ms | 21:08 |
| enyc | 16 2001:41d0:0:5:3::1b1 (2001:41d0:0:5:3::1b1) 22.724 ms 22.636 ms 25.857 ms | 21:08 |
| Evilham | in any case, when I said I didn't know where packages.devuan.org was coming from, I meant that it shouldn't be pulled in the mix | 21:08 |
| enyc | 17 2001:41d0:0:5:3::1b1 (2001:41d0:0:5:3::1b1) 3024.424 ms !H 3032.668 ms !H 3077.456 ms !H | 21:09 |
| enyc | Evilham: so, who looks after these mirrors? write to relevant list? get it fixed or changed? | 21:10 |
| golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 21:11 |
| golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_status.html | 21:12 |
| Evilham | golinux: I checked, packages.devuan.org is not listed there | 21:12 |
| Evilham | nor are those IPs | 21:12 |
| Evilham | I actually don't know who the contact point for packages.devuan.org is :-) maybe it's "us", but no idea what that means / who has access / ... | 21:13 |
| enyc | aha | 21:13 |
| golinux | I'm pretty sure that KatolaZ has access | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | and probably parazyd | 21:15 |
| golinux | And jaromil | 21:15 |
| golinux | Maybe Dan too | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | he upgraded packages to amprolla3 some time ago | 21:15 |
| onefang | We need a list somewhere of who has access to what. | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | I would like to see a diagram of the infrastructure | 21:17 |
| enyc | onefang: thats' *far* too sensible | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | with circles and arrows | 21:17 |
| Evilham | it's a good idea actually, just never came to be | 21:17 |
| enyc | right... packages.devuan.org doesn't seem to be whats' listed IPv4 or IPv6 on mirror_list.txt above | 21:18 |
| Evilham | exactly | 21:18 |
| enyc | also -- mirror_status.html reveals systemic issue -- not checking IPv6 | 21:18 |
| Evilham | the host where that runs has no ipv6 | 21:18 |
| Evilham | https://dev1.cloud does | 21:18 |
| Evilham | and checks all paths for deb.devuan.org | 21:18 |
| enyc | Ok plesaed i'm raising good points/issues | 21:30 |
| enyc | on that note... What is the state of Beowulf ? | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | still stuff to do on beowulf, but in general it's working | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | policykit-1 elogind and eudev are all working, so it's possible to have a functional desktop | 21:43 |
| enyc | fsmithred: coo thaknyou useful to know | 22:27 |
| enyc | fothat might suggest Beowulf can be released sooner compared to debian, than was the case with ascii, with any luck... | 22:31 |
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