| rrq | anyone using $HOME/.local/bin ? it's been added to /etc/skel/.profile | 03:09 |
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| fsmithred | I just use $HOME/bin. I don't add any files to .local | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | I always figured that was for the desktop to use | 03:21 |
| rrq | I saw it's added to $PATH in beowulf (bash 5.0-2) | 03:35 |
| rrq | then google tells " | 03:35 |
| rrq | The ~/.local directories is part of the systemd file-hierarchy spec and is an extension of the xdg user-dirs spec" | 03:35 |
| rrq | probably fine, but a new spot for binaries (for me) | 03:37 |
| rrq | and something is tingling about "hidden user binaries" | 03:38 |
| rrq | bib | 03:39 |
| fsmithred | it's not in $PATH in my beowulf upgraded from ascii | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | same bash version | 03:51 |
| onefang | I'm also a $HOME/bin user, no $HOME/.local/bin here. | 03:51 |
| onefang | I'm not a big fan of XDG specs, having had to implement part of them. | 03:53 |
| fsmithred | I don't really know anything about xdg specs, but I do know that I hate having my home dir spammed with pre-made subdirs chosen by someone else | 03:57 |
| fsmithred | should derivative distros include reportbug in the default install? | 04:11 |
| fsmithred | dinner. bbl. | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | dist-upgrade now runs grub-install??? (just happened in ceres) | 17:31 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | I just did a dist-upgrade in my ceres. Then I rebooted and ceres is now in charge of boot. (got 4 or 5 installations on this) | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | it must have run grub-install because it created a new efi bootloader and made itself (ceres) first. | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: look into apt log | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | to see which package got upgraded | 18:10 |
| fsmithred | package? It was around 400mb of downloads. | 18:13 |
| KatolaZ | ops! | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | grub-efi packages got upgraded | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | but still, it shouldn't run grub-install without asking | 18:20 |
| KatolaZ | yeah it shouldn't | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | mmmmhhh | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | are you sure about that? | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | I mean, if I reainstall grub, I am pretty sure it will re-run grub | 18:22 |
| KatolaZ | I mean, grub-install | 18:22 |
| KatolaZ | I might remember wrong though | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | I know if you install grub-pc you get debconf dialog asking where to put bootloader | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | so maybe grub-efi runs grub-install anyway, because it doesn't need to ask where to put it | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | but that still leaves out the option of "no thanks" | 18:25 |
| KatolaZ | just try re-installing it | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | ok. | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | trying it on beowulf first | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | no I'm not. It'll take too long. Rebooting to ceres now... | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | fuck. 'reboot: command not found' | 18:30 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 18:30 |
| KatolaZ | it's in /sbin | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | it's /sb | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 18:30 |
| KatolaZ | or it should | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | installing grub-efi-amd64 installs the bootloader without asking | 18:32 |
| KatolaZ | in ceres or beowulf? | 18:32 |
| KatolaZ | well, I guess it's the same | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | ceres, but yeah, probably the same | 18:33 |
| KatolaZ | actually not | 18:33 |
| KatolaZ | 2.02+dfsg1-11 vs 2.02+dfsg1-12 | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | probably the same behavior | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | will check in a minute or two | 18:34 |
| KatolaZ | oki | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | dfsg1-11 does the same, but I'm getting an error message | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | 1. complaint that it can't move a locale file that's really a directory | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | 2. "bootloader is not properly installed, system may not be bootable." | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | it did not create a new bootloader | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | not sure what the problem is. It says "no dkms package installed" but dkms is installed. | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | oh, "no dkms packages installed: not changing secure boot validation state." | 18:41 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | shim and shim-signed are installed. Not sure when they sneaked in. | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | Recommends | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | thought I had those blocked | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | ok, it came in with the initial install from mini.iso | 18:47 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | just did a dist-upgrade on the beowulf. Since grub-efi-amd64 (and -bin) were already upgraded, it's not running grub-install this time. | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | It did run update-grub and update-initramfs, which is expected with the kernel upgrade. | 19:08 |
| telmich | is anyone of you living in amsterdam? I was wondering if it is feasible to take a 0705 flight out of amsterdam on Monday after the conference? | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | grub-install locale error goes away after I replace libpolkit-*-consolekit with libpolkit-*-elogind | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | and I now have a lot more .mo files in /boot/grub/locale | 19:26 |
| KatolaZ | telmich: the airport is not too far away from the city centre | 20:20 |
| KatolaZ | IIRC there is a 40-min train | 20:20 |
| KatolaZ | but maybe jaromil or parazyd know better | 20:20 |
| KatolaZ | (well, surely they do( | 20:20 |
| telmich | I just upgrade to beowulf and while almost everything went smooth, grub does not find its configuration file anymore; my setup is gpt1 = efi, gpt4 = /boot, grub configuration in /boot/grub/grub.cfg - did this somewhat recently changed / has it moved to the efi partition? | 20:35 |
| telmich | argh... and mu is update - reindexing about a million emails now | 20:36 |
| evilham | Fun :-D | 20:36 |
| evilham | I haven't had any issues with grub and Beowulf | 20:37 |
| telmich | where do you have your grub.cfg placed? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | telmich, are you using lvm or encryption? | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, remove grub-efi-amd64-signed (unless you're using secure boot) | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | or change the name of your bootloader to "debian" | 21:24 |
| telmich | fsmithred: yes, encryption | 21:33 |
| telmich | fsmithred: with gpt1 = efi, gpt2 = enc(swap), gpt3 = enc(root), gpt4=/boot (w/ grub/grub.cfg) | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | telmich, I think I can tell you how to fix it. | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | been through this a couple times. | 21:39 |
| * fsmithred is looking for notes | 21:39 | |
| fsmithred | Did you get any messages that look like this? WARNING: Device /dev/sda not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds. | 21:40 |
| telmich | fsmithred: you mean at boot time? | 21:41 |
| telmich | just checking syslog | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | no, on running grub-install | 21:42 |
| telmich | ah, no, no errors | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | have you got live-usb to boot with, or some way to chroot the installed system? | 21:42 |
| telmich | Ah, I am using it atm - I used configfile (hd0,gpt4)/grub/grub.cfg to get back to my config file | 21:43 |
| fsmithred | installer media, | 21:43 |
| fsmithred | you can boot like that? | 21:43 |
| telmich | sure | 21:43 |
| telmich | the paths are still correct, it loads the kernel from /vmlinuz... | 21:43 |
| telmich | the only problem is that grub does not look on gpt4 | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | is grub-efi-amd64-signed installed? | 21:44 |
| telmich | yes | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | are you using secure boot? | 21:44 |
| telmich | no | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | ok, remove that package | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | that might be enough to fix it | 21:45 |
| telmich | grub-install afterwards needed? | 21:45 |
| telmich | reboot | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, unless it does it auto | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | maybe update-initramfs -u | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | and probably update-grub, too | 21:46 |
| telmich | ok..waiting for rabbitmq to terminate at the moment | 21:47 |
| telmich | stopping crypto disks (for /) also takes rather long - I guess it's some processes hanging | 21:47 |
| telmich | wow, you are good. removing that package fixed it [tm] | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | not particularly good; just unlucky enough to have been there | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | I do a lot of installs just to see if it'll work | 21:49 |
| telmich | nice | 21:49 |
| telmich | btw, it seems that nobody is active any more in the arm64 - is that possible or a false impression? | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | no arms here | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | except the other kinds | 21:50 |
| telmich | We bought an arm64 dev system about a year ago for devuan and it looked rather unused, as nobody complained when I had to power it off some weeks ago :-) | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | I assume parazyd would be the one most likely to play with that. | 21:52 |
| telmich | I think I also noticed when trying to upgrade the other arm64 box and a couple of packages where not found | 21:55 |
| telmich | it's low prio, just wondering - seems more a general theme that arm64 does not (yet?) get enough love | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | Are rpi all 32? | 21:57 |
| golinux | telmich: parazyd is still the arm dev. You can find him on #devuan-arm (I think you'll have to subscribe) or query him. | 21:57 |
| telmich | fsmithred: not sure anymore - but there was pine* that afair is 64 bit | 21:59 |
| telmich | golinux: thanks for the pointer! As always it's great to have you as a traffic sign pointing in the right direction! | 22:00 |
| golinux | Hey, I've got to be good for something. LOL! | 22:01 |
| telmich | To say it in one word: ALOT! | 22:01 |
| golinux | Awww . . . thanks (golinux blushes) | 22:02 |
| golinux | devuan.org is down. | 23:54 |
| golinux | evilham: ^^^ | 23:54 |
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