libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2019-02-07

fsmithredmini.iso is dead13:01
KatolaZfsmithred: ?13:02
KatolaZok, 4.19.0-2 migrated to buster13:04
KatolaZwe can rebuild the installer :)13:04
KatolaZfsmithred: give me 30 minutes, and it will be back13:04
fsmithredcool! I didn't expect it so fast.13:09
KatolaZit's building already :P13:10
fsmithredis there a way to include the modules on the media so this doesn't keep happening?13:10
KatolaZI was just waiting for the new abi to migrate to buster13:10
KatolaZwhat do you mean?13:10
fsmithredkernel/module mis-match happens a lot13:10
KatolaZno way with mini.iso13:11
KatolaZthat's why it's mini.iso :)13:11
KatolaZmodules are available in netinst13:11
fsmithreddoesn't this same problem happen with netinst isos?13:11
fsmithredI can't remember for sure13:12
KatolaZnope, it shouldn't IIRC13:12
KatolaZpositive, modules are in the install media in netinst13:13
fsmithredI might be remembering attempts with d-i on live isos13:14
KatolaZthey are in pool/DEBIAN/main/l/linux13:14
fsmithredif that path is added to the mini.iso, will the installer find it?13:15
KatolaZsame in jessie, BTW13:16
KatolaZfsmithred: why?13:16
fsmithredmore to the point, can I add the modules to the mini.iso on the usb image I made?13:16
KatolaZfiddling with the debian-installer package is a total mess13:16
fsmithredthe image has the contents of the mini.isos, not the iso files themselves13:17
KatolaZI don't think it is possible to add modules afterwards13:17
KatolaZyou need to re-create the repo13:17
KatolaZand re-sign the corresponding Release files13:17
fsmithredI'd like to try it, but I guess I won't know if it works until next kernel change.13:19
KatolaZfsmithred: actually, the Release files are unsigned in netinst13:19
KatolaZwell, you can easily see if it works13:20
KatolaZjust disable the networks13:20
KatolaZs/networks/network13:20
fsmithredoh, ok13:20
KatolaZbut anyway, you need to create the Packages files13:20
KatolaZand amend the repo accordingly13:20
KatolaZit's not enough to add stuff under pool/13:20
fsmithredthose are things on the netinstall that aren't on the mini?13:21
KatolaZyes13:24
KatolaZthe mini has no repo on board13:24
KatolaZthe netinst has a repo for base-system13:24
KatolaZthe 200 packages in the minimal debian system13:25
KatolaZplus kernel modules13:25
KatolaZfsmithred: you can get the latest mini.iso now14:00
KatolaZoops14:01
KatolaZdoes not look like that though...14:01
KatolaZmmmhhh14:01
KatolaZhold on14:01
KatolaZCenturion_Dan: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-ppc64el/current/14:06
KatolaZppc64el installer14:06
KatolaZplease have a go at it14:06
KatolaZ;)14:06
KatolaZ(I knot it's night down there though)14:07
fsmithredso are i386 and amd64 ok?14:12
KatolaZfsmithred: rebuulding14:13
KatolaZrebuilding14:13
KatolaZwill be ready in 10 minutes14:13
KatolaZjust have a look on #devuan-ci14:13
KatolaZbbl14:14
KatolaZo/14:14
KatolaZfsmithred: mini.iso updated14:57
KatolaZhttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/14:57
KatolaZhttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/14:57
KatolaZhttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-ppc64el/current/14:57
KatolaZbbl14:57
KatolaZo/14:57
fsmithredyeah, I got it already, thanks!14:59
fsmithrednot sure if it's me or the installer - I'm having trouble setting up encrypted lvm16:45
fsmithredselect partition to be used as encrypted volume16:45
fsmithredtry to continue (finish) and it complains that no mountpoint for root16:45
fsmithredI can configure lvm, but then it's not encrypted.16:46
fsmithredcan't seem to get to the place where it asks me for the passphrase. Going to try again.16:46
KatolaZdunno16:50
fsmithredok, it works if I delete the partition and re-create it first.17:23
fsmithrednot sure if that's new behavior or not17:24
fsmithredtried to delete a logical volume right after making it (to make it a different size) and get error: Volume group inVGvol0 not found. The actual name of the volume group is vol0.17:28
fsmithredleft it at the original size and continued. Seems to be working.17:36
LeePenHi.18:10
LeePenI am just writing an email to the dev list about our slim packages.18:10
LeePenWho is our consolekit guru?18:12
fsmithredprobably Dan18:33
fsmithredthere's a consolekit 1.2.1-4 in ceres and experimental. It's not in sid. It does not have "devuan" in the version, and I can't find consolekit at git.devuan.org. What's up with that?18:41
LeePenfsmithred: Yes. I wonder how much we need it now as Debian have dropped consolekit. There are very few dependencies and most are elogind|consolekit.18:47
fsmithredI wouldn't mind if we dropped slim, too.18:49
fsmithredI have to go. bbl.18:49
golinuxLeePen: Don't we have consolekit2?18:52
LeePengolinux: Hi. Ah I see that now. Thanks.18:55
LeePenThat explains why there is no +devuan in the versions.18:56
golinuxFWIW, I really like slim and it's working in beowulf18:57
golinuxwith Xfce.18:57
LeePenYes, but that is the point of my email: those are the Debian pacakges.18:57
KatolaZconsolekit in ceres is from devuan18:59
KatolaZthe source package is called consolekit219:00
KatolaZbut the binary is consolekit19:00
KatolaZso it is indeed consolekit219:00
KatolaZwe decided to leave the binary name as "consolekit" a few months ago, when Centurion_Dan started working on it19:00
golinuxI am still pretty confused about the policykit/consolekit stuff.  My take away is that different WM require different backends and they are mutually exclusive.19:01
KatolaZLeePen: there is no slim in beowulf19:01
KatolaZbut there are devuan versions for ascii, jessie, and unstable19:01
LeePenKatolaZ: well only the merged Debian one19:02
KatolaZthe version number in ascii is not a major problem19:02
LeePenI agree, I just noticed it in passing19:02
KatolaZsince we can bump the one in unstable if and when we like19:02
KatolaZ19:03 < LeePen> KatolaZ: well only the merged Debian one19:02
KatolaZ^^^ what do you mean?19:02
golinuxI have it working on a VB mini.iso19:03
LeePen[beowulf] slim-1.3.6-5.119:03
KatolaZis that the debian version?19:03
LeePenYes19:03
KatolaZ(i.e., the version coming from debian?)19:04
LeePenYes19:04
KatolaZand I guess it is working with elogind, because the debian one works with systemd19:04
KatolaZ(logind)19:04
KatolaZright?19:04
LeePenYes19:04
KatolaZok, the whole story about consolekit is to allow a choice19:04
KatolaZbefore elogind (i.e., before ascii) we didn't have any19:04
KatolaZand consolekit was the only way19:04
LeePenI like choice19:04
golinuxslim 1.3.6-5.119:05
KatolaZin ascii we allowed a choice between elogind and consolekit19:05
KatolaZnow to continue that, we need consolekit2 in unstable19:05
LeePenI think slim/ascii is consolekit only19:05
KatolaZyes19:05
KatolaZand also something else is consolekit only19:05
LeePenDo we need 2 slim packages against consolekit and elogind?19:06
golinuxlightdm, I think19:06
KatolaZI guess it would make sense to keep consolekit 2 if we can19:06
KatolaZLeePen: I guess that would be nice19:06
KatolaZmaybe we can leave the current package as it is19:06
KatolaZ(as it works with elogind)19:06
KatolaZand have a slim-consolekit one?19:06
KatolaZbut it's probably better to discuss this on the ML19:07
LeePenYes, I wondered about that.19:07
KatolaZas I am not the maintainer of consolekit or slim19:07
KatolaZso mine is just a  somehow external take on the whole story19:07
golinuxhellekin was the slim maintainer19:07
KatolaZgolinux: it was adopted by Centurion_Dan for ascii19:07
KatolaZIIRC19:07
golinuxOK19:08
LeePenI haven't come across him/her19:08
KatolaZhellekin left some three years ago19:08
golinuxLeePen: Long story19:08
LeePenOnce upon a time.... ;)19:08
golinuxMore like 219:08
KatolaZwhetever19:09
KatolaZit was before we released jessie19:09
golinuxIt seems like 3.  ;)19:09
KatolaZslim was re-built for jessie by dan, if I am not wrong19:09
KatolaZand then updated for ascii19:09
KatolaZbut anyway19:09
KatolaZthis is of little interest for the current discussion19:09
KatolaZmy point is, it would be good to have support for consolekit2 while it is around19:10
golinuxVery true.  Sorry for the noise.  I'm a bit nored atm.  LOL!19:10
golinuxbored actually19:10
LeePenKatolaZ: Sounds good to support both somehow.19:11
LeePenThanks19:11
KatolaZnp19:12
KatolaZCenturion_Dan: you here by any chance?19:15
Centurion_Danyup19:52
Centurion_DanKatolaZ19:52
Centurion_Dan?19:53

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