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LeePen | Hi, I have policykit-1 0.105-25+devuan1 ready for review. Shall I email the list or is here enough? | 15:34 |
KatolaZ | LeePen: where is it? | 15:50 |
KatolaZ | maybe send a brief email to devuan-dev? | 15:50 |
KatolaZ | and we can build it in the meanwhile | 15:50 |
LeePen | https://git.devuan.org/LeePen/policykit-1 suites/unstable-proposed | 15:51 |
LeePen | OK | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | oh it's in your repo | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | then please send an email to devuan-dev | 15:51 |
LeePen | Fine. Thanks. | 15:51 |
KatolaZ | if nobody answers, we will merge it into devuan-packages | 15:52 |
KatolaZ | thank oyu | 15:52 |
jaromil | LeePen: thanks! | 16:53 |
fsmithred | jaromil, I can make a live-usb that boots with grub on bios or uefi. ("can" = "just did it and it works") | 17:23 |
onefang | fsmithred: I'd like to see that. | 17:58 |
fsmithred | still working on it, but you will get to see it | 18:02 |
golinux | Very exciting news! | 18:25 |
fsmithred | minimal-live is not booting. :( | 18:34 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: why? | 18:37 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, I don't know. I made a multiboot live-usb the way I normally do. | 18:39 |
fsmithred | after "something crng" it hangs then drops to initramfs prompt | 18:40 |
fsmithred | it should boot on a 12-year-old pentium dual-core, shouldn't it? | 18:43 |
fsmithred | using the i386 iso | 18:43 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: there must be a problem in the root fs | 18:52 |
fsmithred | maybe. I just tried on another usb and did not replace isolinux with grub (like I did on the other) and I'm getting the same thing. | 18:54 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, does the initrd have modules for fat32 fs? | 18:59 |
KatolaZ | oh dunno | 19:00 |
KatolaZ | I have stripped off a good deal of modules from the initramfs | 19:00 |
KatolaZ | the default one is insanely fat for a live system | 19:01 |
KatolaZ | let me check | 19:01 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: yeah, I remove fat modules in mini-iso | 19:02 |
kilobyte | don't you want a fat initramfs for a live system, so it can be moved across machines? | 19:03 |
fsmithred | desktop-live is fat | 19:03 |
fsmithred | minimal-live is for those who shun fat | 19:03 |
kilobyte | haven't seen a SD card lesser than 16GB in a while, and I'm someone who actually uses such machines a lot | 19:04 |
golinux | I installed the mini-iso for 32bit | 19:04 |
KatolaZ | kilobyte: the fact that you have hw for that, and RAM, does not mean that everybody does | 19:05 |
golinux | The mini-iso is different from the minimal-live | 19:05 |
KatolaZ | golinux: sure it is | 19:05 |
golinux | That was a statement not a question | 19:05 |
kilobyte | yeah, but the initramfs gets freed away after early boot | 19:05 |
KatolaZ | if you can boot... | 19:05 |
KatolaZ | 'cause the original initramfs requires more than 256MB of ram | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | and removing fibrechannel drivers shouldn't hurt anybody | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | :) | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | and removing unneded filesystems | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | since the rootfs is ext4 | 19:06 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, what I'm working on is an idea that came up in meeting - for d1conf merchandise, live-usb with devuan on it | 19:06 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: good point | 19:07 |
fsmithred | but the minimal live won't work this way (multi-boot usb on fat32) | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | then, just modify live-sdk/blends/devuan-minimal-live/ascii/scripts/create_initrd.sh | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | and comment the line that removed the fat drivers | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | line 127 in the file | 19:08 |
fsmithred | I was thinking of maybe switching fat32 to ext - if I'm not using syslinux, that might work | 19:08 |
KatolaZ | no need | 19:09 |
KatolaZ | just comment that line | 19:09 |
fsmithred | yeah, after I clone the repo | 19:09 |
KatolaZ | I can do the change | 19:10 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 19:10 |
KatolaZ | pushed | 19:10 |
kilobyte | speaking of trimming initramfs too much: stock RockPro64 images lack radeon drivers, which turned out to be a nasty surprise for me -- the machine requires a vendor kernel whose source is supplied but requires some very specific toolchain versions and incantations the author didn't bother to share, thus replacing the kernel is non-trivial | 19:13 |
kilobyte | because no one would need GPU drivers on arm64 if the machine has embedded graphics already, right? | 19:14 |
kilobyte | except that my monitor needs specifically DP not HDMI, and their DP is buggy | 19:14 |
kilobyte | (arm* has no equivalent for basic VGA, thus without specific drivers you get no display at all, rather than a degraded one) | 19:16 |
KatolaZ | kilobyte: minimal-live is only available for i386 and amd64 | 19:18 |
kilobyte | yeah, but weird hardware is what needs weird drivers, and even though fibrechannel comes on big iron, that's the kind of machines that use weird boot media that might have a limit somewhere | 19:20 |
onefang | Big iron has big sysadmin teams to look after them. | 19:21 |
KatolaZ | kilobyte: if some admin ever comes with a request for fibrechannel drivers to use minimal-live in their mainframe, well, we will consider it | 19:22 |
KatolaZ | the average use case for minimal-live is visually impaired and blind users | 19:22 |
KatolaZ | plus simple recovery tasks | 19:22 |
KatolaZ | we cannot cater for all the possible use cases | 19:23 |
KatolaZ | and we are already providing quite a wide choice of install and live media, I guess :) | 19:23 |
Ryushin | Any hopes to have Devuan installable through windows linux subsystem? As if you don't have enough on your plates. :) | 19:52 |
KatolaZ | Ryushin: why at all? | 19:54 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 19:54 |
Ryushin | Because, to this day, windows does not include bash or ssh. | 19:58 |
Ryushin | I'll install Debian. | 19:59 |
Ryushin | Need the shell, sed, awk, and all the other great tools. | 20:00 |
Ryushin | Oh, and vi, don't forget vi. tail is nice too. | 20:00 |
fsmithred | Ryushin, if debian is installable, why is not devuan? | 20:00 |
fsmithred | does windows require systemd? | 20:01 |
fsmithred | or is it a name problem? | 20:01 |
Ryushin | I would not think so. I think it just needs to be packages for it. | 20:01 |
fsmithred | what are the debian packages for it? | 20:01 |
Ryushin | https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-manual | 20:02 |
KatolaZ | Ryushin: is cygwin still around? | 20:02 |
Ryushin | KatolaZ: It is from what I understand. Just stopped using it when we got this. | 20:03 |
Ryushin | apt-get any package I want | 20:03 |
KatolaZ | Ryushin: not my cookie, sorry | 20:03 |
KatolaZ | I left windows completely 18 years ago | 20:04 |
KatolaZ | and never looked back :) | 20:04 |
KatolaZ | I think that the idea of the Windows Linux Subsystem is just totally broken, if you ask | 20:04 |
Ryushin | It would not surprise me one bit. Only use it because I need the tools. I still have to administrate some windows servers. | 20:05 |
fsmithred | Ryushin, it looks like this Appx file for Debian has a bootstrap tarball in it. The appx file is a zip archive. Maybe it can be modified without too much trouble. | 20:05 |
fsmithred | other option might be to install debian then upgrade to devuan. | 20:06 |
Ryushin | fsmithred: Now we are talking. What a grand idea. | 20:06 |
fsmithred | it's also possible that I'm overly optimistic | 20:06 |
fsmithred | can't see what's in debian.exe | 20:07 |
Ryushin | KatolaZ: Been using linux since '93. Did about three years with OS/2 and Linux and then went back to Linux as my main system since 97 I think it was. | 20:07 |
Ryushin | fsmithred: I'll let you know if I can "upgrade" to Devuan. :) | 20:08 |
fsmithred | if you start with a minimal debian, it should be pretty simple | 20:08 |
KatolaZ | Ryushin: didn't mean to judge you :) | 20:09 |
KatolaZ | I know many people still have to use Windows and/or aminister windows machines | 20:09 |
KatolaZ | I am happy I don't have to ;) | 20:09 |
fsmithred | I'll be afk for a bit. | 20:10 |
Ryushin | KatolaZ: Oh, you're not judging me. Just saying been doing this a long time. Only apple I owned was the ][e. Then Jobs torpedoed that. But I really did like the NeXT Cube. | 20:16 |
Ryushin | I feel old. LOL | 20:16 |
Ryushin | 110 baud modem. Oh the horror. | 20:17 |
KatolaZ | Ryushin: :) | 20:21 |
KatolaZ | I am only slightly younger than you, I guess | 20:21 |
Ryushin | Well, one more year, and half a century for me. | 20:21 |
Ryushin | fsmithred: Upgrading to Devuan from Debian in windows went very smoothly. | 20:48 |
golinux | Congrats! | 20:48 |
golinux | Ryushin: You and KatolaZ are teenagers. I'm over 3/4 of a century. Everything is relative . . . | 20:49 |
Ryushin | golinux: I'm going to go tell my wife that I'm a teenager. She will laugh. | 20:50 |
golinux | Ultimately, 'tis all in the mind. | 20:51 |
Ryushin | golinux: Well, if I feel old in saying my first "real" computer was a ][e, I don't want to think what you started on. | 20:51 |
Ryushin | Timex Sinclair, that was childs play. | 20:51 |
Ryushin | When I grew up, we programed in only zeros as ones had not been invented yet. | 20:52 |
golinux | I didn't own a computer till I was over 60 and didn't want one! | 20:52 |
golinux | It was a gift that I didn't want but learned to like. | 20:53 |
Ryushin | Interesting. So you don't remember the horrors of DOS and Windows 3.1, NT 3.51, etc. | 20:53 |
Ryushin | Well, don't tell us youngsters that. | 20:54 |
Ryushin | Let them wonder just how many wizened years you have working with computers. Grow a beard and smoke a pipe. | 20:55 |
golinux | Wrong gender for beard-growing. ;) | 20:56 |
Ryushin | Well, purged systemd and installed sysvinit as well. So it is Devuan through and through now. | 20:57 |
golinux | Good news! | 20:57 |
* golinux goes for a cup of tea | 20:57 | |
KatolaZ | Ryushin: started on a CPC464, if you remember it | 21:27 |
KatolaZ | golinux: nobody would believe I am a teenager | 21:28 |
Ryushin | KotolaZ: Looks like a better computer then what I started on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV-318 I had a cassette tape to save my programs. Got the Apple ][e after that and I was on that for years. | 21:32 |
Ryushin | Wrote my first games in basic on that thing. Then cut my teeth on 6502 machine language on the Apple ][e and then I got to do assembly with the Merlin program and Pascal as well. | 21:35 |
KatolaZ | mine had cassettes as well | 21:38 |
KatolaZ | a Z80 | 21:38 |
KatolaZ | and a BASIC ;) | 21:38 |
Ryushin | Ahh, the memories. Then we grew up and had to get a job. | 21:42 |
fsmithred | I started with a 386 and drdos. (not counting the one class in college that gave me bad dreams of sorting punch cards all night long.) | 22:03 |
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