| drwhite | Hi folks, Just a quick one... | 00:16 |
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| drwhite | What needs to be installed so that the system can recognise multiple graphics cards and use them all at once? Or is that something that has been removed? Or is it something that can be added quickly please? | 00:17 |
| drwhite | anyone know where I can get the package for libpng12.so.0 ? | 03:10 |
| drwhite | Anyone here know, will Devuan run on ARM? | 03:28 |
| drwhite | If so, what is the current developement stage it is at? | 03:28 |
| drwhite | if not, would it be possible? | 03:28 |
| golinux | drwhite: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/ | 03:34 |
| drwhite | golinux: I mean generic ARM, not specific | 03:35 |
| drwhite | Not specific devices, just ARM | 03:35 |
| golinux | Isn't arm device specific? | 03:37 |
| golinux | Note that I have never played with an arm device. | 03:38 |
| drwhite | ARM is the arcitecture/CPU | 03:38 |
| drwhite | The things you have there are for raspberry pi 2 and 3 and 1 as well as the N9 and N900, etcetera... | 03:39 |
| golinux | That I know | 03:39 |
| drwhite | So they are the devices | 03:39 |
| drwhite | so arm is not a specific device | 03:39 |
| drwhite | it's just an architecture. | 03:39 |
| golinux | But don't you need a device to use it on? | 03:40 |
| drwhite | yes, but it's not one of those. | 03:40 |
| drwhite | and it will be run of several different ARM devices. | 03:40 |
| golinux | Try #devuan-arm | 03:40 |
| drwhite | Thanks, asking there now | 03:42 |
| golinux | Yes, I just saw that you're there. I won't stay on though . . . | 03:43 |
| drwhite | all good | 03:43 |
| golinux | :) | 03:44 |
| drwhite | had thought it was a query for the developers, not the users/testers | 03:44 |
| onefang | Unlike PCs and laptops, ARM devices have a tendency to use their own bootloaders. Makes it hard to make a generic ARM operating system. | 03:46 |
| onefang | Some of the developers here are happy to work on specific devices, if they have one of them. | 03:47 |
| onefang | Once past the bootloader, the rest is generic. Except maybe some device drivers. Some proprietary device drivers don't have Linux versions. | 03:50 |
| onefang | So popular ARM devices will be supported, some of the rest if you get lucky. | 03:51 |
| drwhite | Okay, so it's just the bootloader primarily. interesting. | 04:08 |
| drwhite | I should be able to get a bootloader that works easily enough. The bootloader is completely separate from SystemD and all? | 04:09 |
| onefang | Yep. SystemD is for after the bootloader fires up the kernel, then the kernel fires up what ever init system is in use, which isn't systemD in the case of Devuan. | 04:32 |
| drwhite | Just making 100% sure. | 05:05 |
| Centurion_Dan | drwhite: in most cases arm devices use uboot, but the issue is that arm doesn't provide a pre-boot environment or standardisation of where things are expected to be. IE, with PC-BIOS, there are a number of things done to provide abstracted basic interfaces for early boot to allow getting to a known state before the kernel needs care about discovering and configuring hardware. This doesn't happen in ARM systems. | 06:55 |
| Centurion_Dan | For ARM much of the functional units (network, usb, gpu) etc are built directly onto the same silicon as the cpu core(s), with each vendor having their own configurations. The issue isn't the ARM abi, it's addressing all the built in logic with specific hardwired addressing and no fancy controller to abstract away the complexity. | 07:23 |
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