| Y_Plentyn | Hi... As I reported yesterday there is a dependency problem in ceres regarding spamassassin | 12:59 |
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| Y_Plentyn | why does a package which depends on a package not in ceres even enter ceres? | 13:00 |
| Y_Plentyn | and - where should I send a bug report to? spamassassin, init-system-helpers, something else? | 13:06 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: because ceres is merged from sid? | 14:14 |
| Y_Plentyn | KatolaZ: without respecting dependencies? that feels a bit broken... | 14:22 |
| KatolaZ | it does | 14:22 |
| KatolaZ | indeed | 14:22 |
| KatolaZ | which is the missing dep? | 14:22 |
| Y_Plentyn | init-system-helpers (>= 1.51) | 14:22 |
| Y_Plentyn | I would propose to merge to experimental in such cases ;) | 14:23 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 14:27 |
| KatolaZ | mistery solved | 14:27 |
| KatolaZ | init-system-helpers is forked by devuan | 14:27 |
| KatolaZ | so we need to upgrade it in ceres | 14:27 |
| Y_Plentyn | sure is | 14:27 |
| KatolaZ | so the problem is on our side | 14:27 |
| Y_Plentyn | yeah, the basic problem remains... | 14:28 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: we must first understand what the problem is about ;) | 14:28 |
| KatolaZ | now we do | 14:28 |
| KatolaZ | we need to upgrade init-system-helpers | 14:28 |
| Y_Plentyn | this is true, but I see a more general problem: | 14:28 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: ^^^^ do you think you can have a look at that, please? | 14:28 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: the problem will go away as soon as init-system-helpers is bumped to the current version available in sid | 14:29 |
| Y_Plentyn | a packet which has unresolved dependencies should not initially be merged into ceres, but into experimental | 14:29 |
| Y_Plentyn | am I wrong there? | 14:30 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 14:30 |
| KatolaZ | define "merged" | 14:31 |
| KatolaZ | because there is a semantic overlap here | 14:31 |
| Y_Plentyn | "Y_Plentyn: because ceres is merged from sid?" | 14:31 |
| KatolaZ | that's the repository merge done by amprolla | 14:31 |
| Y_Plentyn | I am aware | 14:31 |
| KatolaZ | so why ceres should merge experimental? | 14:31 |
| Y_Plentyn | the other way around. ;) ... | 14:32 |
| KatolaZ | experimental in Devuan is currently (and will remain) separate from the Debian's experimental | 14:32 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 14:32 |
| KatolaZ | experimental (devuan) should merge sid? | 14:32 |
| Y_Plentyn | ok, i should rephrase: | 14:32 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 14:32 |
| Y_Plentyn | is it wanted, that ceres contains unresolvable dependencies? this makes some packages uninstallable | 14:33 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: this is not wanted, but might happen if some of the packages in ceres are obsolete | 14:34 |
| KatolaZ | so the solution is to keep those packages updated | 14:34 |
| KatolaZ | not to merge experimental | 14:34 |
| KatolaZ | normally these problems are resolved quite quickly after they are reported | 14:34 |
| Y_Plentyn | if this is not wanted, packages with unresolvable dependencies should not be merged into ceres | 14:35 |
| KatolaZ | we will have a look and will update init-system-helpers for ceres | 14:35 |
| Y_Plentyn | this one kept up for some weeks, if I see correctly | 14:35 |
| KatolaZ | when did you report it? | 14:35 |
| Y_Plentyn | yesterday | 14:35 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 14:35 |
| Y_Plentyn | (I have life, too, sorry) | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | if it's not reported, we can't know, right | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | (I have life, too, sorry ;P) | 14:36 |
| Y_Plentyn | sure you have | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: let's cut it short | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | it's good to know | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | let's work to solve it | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | ok> | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | ? | 14:36 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 14:37 |
| * Y_Plentyn grins | 14:37 | |
| Y_Plentyn | thank you in any way ') | 14:37 |
| Y_Plentyn | ;) | 14:37 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: we don't have hundred developers, as you might have understood | 14:37 |
| KatolaZ | so we need to go by priorities | 14:37 |
| Y_Plentyn | I might volonteer... | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | please do | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | if you have experience of packaging + git | 14:38 |
| Y_Plentyn | which are the channels to use? | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | just have a look at the devuan workflow (if you don't know about it already) | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | this one | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 14:38 |
| Y_Plentyn | I (still) package xpat2 in debian ;) | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | cool | 14:38 |
| KatolaZ | are you familiar with the Devuan workflow then> | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | ? | 14:39 |
| Y_Plentyn | barely | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | hold on | 14:39 |
| Y_Plentyn | looking at it, but I had a bit of a problem finding the right handles to enter | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 | 14:39 |
| KatolaZ | there are the handlers | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | (most of them) | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | in short | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | everything is done through git | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/ | 14:40 |
| Y_Plentyn | ... a working account on git.devuan.org | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | each devuan package has a branch for each suite it is built for | 14:40 |
| KatolaZ | Y_Plentyn: just register on git.devuan.org | 14:40 |
| * Y_Plentyn nods | 14:41 | |
| KatolaZ | the version for a given suite must match the corresponding Debian version | 14:41 |
| KatolaZ | devuanised packages normally have the same version number of the debian ones +devuanX.Y | 14:41 |
| Y_Plentyn | I know this already | 14:42 |
| Centurion_Dan | KatolaZ: I'm about to head for bed, but will take a look in the morning. | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | when you push a set of changes to be built you should tag the corresponding version | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: great, thanks | 14:42 |
| Centurion_Dan | so the version is the issue? | 14:42 |
| KatolaZ | I might have time to have a look as well | 14:42 |
| Y_Plentyn | I will need to put some more energy into this | 14:43 |
| KatolaZ | yes, we should bump to the sid one Centurion_Dan | 14:43 |
| Centurion_Dan | Ok. will do. | 14:43 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: will let you know if I can work on it | 14:43 |
| Centurion_Dan | ok. | 14:43 |
| KatolaZ | if you don't hear anything from me, I didn't have time | 14:43 |
| Centurion_Dan | pm me if you do, that way I'll see it. | 14:43 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: ok, good night! | 14:44 |
| KatolaZ | o/ | 14:44 |
| Centurion_Dan | \o | 14:44 |
| Y_Plentyn | KatolaZ: I will probably bug you again, when I try to fix some specific stuff - I usually work best by doing ;) | 14:44 |
| KatolaZ | ok Y_Plentyn | 14:47 |
| KatolaZ | feel free | 14:47 |
| * _moep_ waves | 14:59 | |
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