| kilobyte | has anyone invented a protocol that allows to hit people over the 'Net already? It's badly needed for our dear MikeeUSA. | 11:01 |
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| kilobyte | crosspost spam has gone out of hand | 11:01 |
| KatolaZ | kilobyte: yes, it's called procmail ;) | 11:16 |
| kilobyte | alas, he rotates e-mail addresses every a few mails | 11:19 |
| kilobyte | blackholing crossposts doesn't work as people use them legitimately (at least unless a mailing list itself does that) | 11:19 |
| onefang | Greylisting? Works well for me. | 11:23 |
| kilobyte | greylisting helps only against ill-behaved servers (ie, spamware that doesn't implement retries) | 11:25 |
| kilobyte | that proposal to reject crossposts that include a few selected lists (Mikee's favourites are dng+lkml+debian-user) sounds good | 11:27 |
| onefang | I mean I have a whitelist, a blacklist, and whatever is left over goes in the greylist folder. Yes, I know, different from the greylisting you are thinking of. | 11:27 |
| onefang | Ah, you are talking about a mailing list? | 11:27 |
| kilobyte | To: dng@lists.dyne.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: rms@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com, moglen@columbia.edu, bruce@perens.com, debian-ctte@lists.debian.org, editor@lwn.net, torvalds@osdl.org, blukashev@sempervictus.com, bkuhn@sfconservancy.org | 11:28 |
| onefang | OK, ignore what I said then. lol | 11:28 |
| detha | Usenet clients generally have a threshold for cross-posting, anything over 3 or 5 destinations gets flagged or dumped. But people wanted mailing lists. | 11:34 |
| kilobyte | lkml posts usually have a long long list of individuals, and sometimes several lists as well | 11:38 |
| kilobyte | like, something that affects several subsystems or filesystems, gets crossposted to all relevant lists, and that's considered legitimate | 11:39 |
| detha | back to procmail then - with a whitelist of 'makes sense' crosspost lists | 11:44 |
| fsmithred | su behaves differently in beowulf. Must use "su -" to install software. With just "su" ldconfig is not in root's path. | 13:26 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: this was in the changelog | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kilobyte: filtering for multiple "to:" ML sounds reasonable but alas is avoided easily by sending separate emails instead of one email with multi-destination | 17:21 |
| kilobyte | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but the point of trolling is not the initial message but causing a thread between potentially hostile groups | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 17:26 |
| kilobyte | debian-user and dng tend to be opposed; at least when systemd is concerned, so it's MikeeUSA's favourite tactic | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you refer to the replies also going to _all_ ;L then. Yeah that's a valid point | 17:27 |
| kilobyte | the amount of drama goes quadratically with the number of people tricked into replying | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ML* | 17:28 |
| KatolaZ | the replies aren't going anyway, since both MLs accept subscribers-only... | 17:28 |
| kilobyte | debian-user has turned subscribed-only? Oh. Not the case for most Debian lists... | 17:29 |
| kilobyte | lkml is open to all | 17:29 |
| KatolaZ | DNG is, AFAIK | 17:33 |
| golinux | Rick Moen just suggested I temporarily set moderated subscriptions till this passes over. | 17:36 |
| golinux | But that's not a decision I can make unilaterally | 17:36 |
| golinux | Since jaromil is not readily available atm, I'm not quite sure how get an OK on that. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better save ("block"/delay some subscriptions now) than sorry (have spammers registered later) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/have spammers registered / have registered spammers/ | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW I see no permanent irreversible damage done with moderated subscribe | 17:45 |
| golinux | But neither of us own that list . . . | 17:46 |
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