gnu_srs1 | (08/25/2018 01:16:06 AM) srs: (12:55:49 AM) srs: Centurion_Dan: jaromil, KatolaZ: Please give your input to this query! | 01:18 |
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gnu_srs1 | (01:16:40 AM) srs: (12:49:50 AM) srs: Recently Debian maintainers refuse to include patches to packages, thereby hindering development of these architectures! | 01:18 |
gnu_srs1 | 01:16:54 AM) srs: (12:50:52 AM) srs: Good to know is that neither of kfreebsd or hurd has any kind of support for systemd :) | 01:18 |
fsmithred | debian refused an intel microcode update because of the license terms | 01:39 |
fsmithred | absurd terms | 01:40 |
kilobyte | already fixed | 01:41 |
fsmithred | cool | 01:41 |
fsmithred | the lawyers talked to the engineers? | 01:42 |
* kilobyte tries to stop laughing. | 01:42 | |
golinux | fsmithred: Read DNG mail. | 01:44 |
golinux | Bruce Perens announced the new license. | 01:44 |
fsmithred | yeah, I just found that | 01:46 |
fsmithred | I did not read that discussion | 01:46 |
gnu_srs1 | Centurion_Dan: ping! | 01:57 |
Centurion_Dan | o/ | 13:43 |
Centurion_Dan | gnu_srs1: can you fill me in on the details... I'm keen to know more. | 13:51 |
Centurion_Dan | kilobyte - about riscv64 should be do-able provided there is either some hardware we can use for a build machine - or atleast a working qemu | 13:53 |
Centurion_Dan | I' | 13:53 |
Centurion_Dan | gnu_srs1: I'd be keen to add kfreebsd and hurd - just need to have enough functioning to run a buildhost for the wanted ISA's ... | 13:56 |
Centurion_Dan | but again it all takes time... a resource we don't have in abundance unless we can find a way to fund people to work on these things fulltime.. | 13:57 |
kilobyte | there's a lot of work to be done to get kfreebsd in a viable state, even more for hurd | 13:58 |
gnu_srs1 | One issue is cmake, a package having a lot of build dependencies. The Debian maintainer refuses to address patches sent for both kfreebsd and hurd. | 13:58 |
gnu_srs1 | kilobyte: I'm already hosting a buildd for Debian kFreeBSD and one for Debian Hurd. | 14:00 |
kilobyte | on the other hand, most likely riscv64 will be usable by then, Devuan being able to play looser with freeze rules, thus getting ~6 months of extra development, at the cost of cherry-picking a few packages | 14:00 |
gnu_srs1 | And one for Devuan: build005 :) | 14:00 |
kilobyte | gnu_srs1: seeing the amount of outdated packages, things are not going well for those arches | 14:01 |
kilobyte | even basics like glibc | 14:02 |
gnu_srs1 | With the right attitude of patches sent to bug reports, this number would decrease significantly :D | 14:03 |
kilobyte | heh, glibc fails at applying its patches, it's possible there's no deeper breakage | 14:04 |
kilobyte | can't take a look right now -- gotta trot | 14:04 |
gnu_srs1 | The only problematic package is glibc for kfreebsd, yes. | 14:05 |
gnu_srs1 | But that is the only major obstacle, | 14:05 |
gnu_srs1 | For glibc 2.28 Hird is now supported upstream :) | 14:06 |
gnu_srs1 | Hurd** | 14:06 |
Centurion_Dan | kilobyte: I thought ubuntu had picked up on kfreebsd... | 14:12 |
Centurion_Dan | kilobyte, there is no big impediment for us to fork packages for just one cpu architecture - in many cases we may even be able to build them straight from debians sources. | 14:14 |
Centurion_Dan | gnu_srs1: really... can you spare us a kfreebsd and/or hurd buildhost for us to start playing with? | 14:19 |
Centurion_Dan | This will require some more work on our ci setup to add the OS flavours, but that's not insurmountable. | 14:20 |
Centurion_Dan | .. and was in the game plan... | 14:20 |
gnu_srs1 | Centurion_Dan: Yes, we can try to do that. | 14:34 |
Centurion_Dan | cool.. I'm heading to bed now.. will catch up on this during the coming week and start making plans! | 14:48 |
kilobyte | at the moment, there are two blockers to have riscv64 debootstrappable: libffi (fixed in experimental: support in new upstream that has some regressions on other archs), and *drumroll* the-package-that-should-not-be-named (but Devuan already carries the fix) | 15:12 |
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