| jaromil | after the third rewrite updates take a few seconds AFAIK | 00:05 |
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| jaromil | not sure about latest measurements | 00:05 |
| Centurion_Dan | lcarlos_c: that's only the metadata and devuan packages, a full mirror including packages from the debian pool is in the terabytes - exactly the reason why amprolla was designed was to avoid having to build and host packages that can be used unchanged from Debian. | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lcarlos_c: as I said above, the mirrors are managed with 2step commit, exactly to avoid any szch small window for race conditions | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | such* | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there are two dir structures A and B, and two symlinks the_real_repo->A and the_next_repo->B. Download of new data is to the_next_repo and when it finished, the two symlinks get swapped | 01:33 |
| lcarlos_c | DocScrutinizer05: this switching between trees avoids mirrors getting mixed but not clients. The 2 step rsync in the mirror reduces the window that the client can get mixed info in the mirror repository. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, on client side there's a "problem" | 01:45 |
| lcarlos_c | Anyway, the repository is so small that this does seem to be irrelevant. Very different from the Debian repo. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall the problems that can occur on client side (apt etc) were commonly considered "minor severety" | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when something fails, just retry | 01:47 |
| lcarlos_c | For Debian it's currently a hard requirement. They won't list a mirror that doesn't do a 2-stage rsync. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all devuan mirrors are supposed to do 2stage | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the repo mirrors, not the file mirrors | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least afaik | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe there's actually a 2 tiers, 1st level aka primary mirrors do, 2nd level don't | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to ask KatolaZ and/or parazyd I guess | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | I'm back. I think I replied to the right post. | 01:52 |
| golinux | fsmithred: Yes, that was the right on | 01:53 |
| golinux | +e | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | I can't believe the distrowatch review says that the installer is slow and takes a long time. | 01:54 |
| fsmithred | takes me 10 minutes to install live. | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | an hour to use d-i | 01:55 |
| onefang | Isn't it the same installer Debian uses? | 01:58 |
| fsmithred | the installer isos use debian-installer | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | the live isos use refractainstaller | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | which copies the live system to hard drive with rsync | 02:01 |
| onefang | I used debootstrap for my ASCII install, so didn't get to see what is used by the others. | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | some hate it, some love it. It's very different from d-i | 02:02 |
| golinux | Pad for tomorrow's Devuan meet: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/1/edit/x7D2m3ojX78lP4xPNv3Bvg/G1SACB6iJrBzFzLg64kJnkJ6/ | 02:26 |
| onefang | I've spent most of Sunday trying to get OpenGL to work with ASCII and an nVidia GT630. Today, another dehairing session later, still no joy. Anybody got it to work? | 11:37 |
| onefang | Some of you have seen my head, not a lot of hair to pull out. lol | 11:37 |
| onefang | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxgears | 11:38 |
| onefang | libGL: screen 0 does not appear to be DRI2 capable | 11:38 |
| onefang | And it goes downhill from there. | 11:38 |
| onefang | I could get OpenGL to work with nouveau driver, but after some time xorg started gobbling up CPU cores, even without any OpenGL stuff running. | 11:40 |
| amesser | onefang: which driver do you use? | 11:51 |
| onefang | I've tried the 340 legacy, and the latest nvidia drivers from the repo. | 11:52 |
| onefang | Even tried nvidia-driver from ascii-backports. | 11:53 |
| onefang | I'll try downloading desktop-live, see if that at least works. Might be something in my minimal debootstrap that got left out that I can't figure out. | 12:43 |
| onefang | And if desktop-live doesn't even have OpenGL support, someone please tell me know, before I waste an entire days bandwidth downloading it. lol | 12:50 |
| onefang | Er "now" not "know". | 12:51 |
| parazyd | Why wouldn't it? | 12:53 |
| onefang | Well, if it left off non-free stuff, then it wont have the nVidia drivers. | 12:57 |
| parazyd | Can't you use mesa? | 12:58 |
| parazyd | (Apologies if you already discussed it in the backlog) | 12:59 |
| onefang | I tried mesa, but didn't mention it. | 12:59 |
| onefang | Not a complete waste, I can stick desktop-live on my Magic Pixie Dust at least. That will be useful. | 13:09 |
| onefang | Time to try desktop-live. Back later. | 13:42 |
| onefang | So that was the refractainstaller, huh? | 14:48 |
| onefang | I can see why some might hate it, though it's not the worst one I've seen. And I've spent the last year installing a couple of dozen different OSes on my Magic Pixie Dust micro SD card. | 14:49 |
| onefang | Desktop-live uses the nouveau driver, which I had tried, and it worked, except that later in the day I caught it soaking up an entire CPU core. B-( | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | mesa-utils | 14:54 |
| onefang | On the plus side, didn't take long to install desktop-live onto a spare partition. | 14:54 |
| onefang | I have mesa-utils installed, though not mesa-utils-extra. | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | 10 minutes, right? | 14:57 |
| onefang | I didn't actually time it, but I've been away for slightly longer than one hour. I've rebooted several times, messed around, tested stuff, then installed it. Ten minutes would be about right I guess. | 14:58 |
| onefang | I can time it if you want. B-) | 14:58 |
| fsmithred | maybe more if you actually read the screens | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | if you read the config file, you can find out ways to change its behavior | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | and glxgears doesn't work? | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | no need | 14:59 |
| onefang | I've spent most of last week doing a debootstrap of ASCII over and over, and one rsync install. I have a good idea what refracta was doing behind the scenes. | 15:00 |
| onefang | glxgears did work, but as I said, it was using nouveau, not nvidia drivers. | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | was nvidia installed? | 15:01 |
| onefang | I'm trying to figure out now why networking wasn't working. ppp is on desktop-live? | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | not sure | 15:02 |
| onefang | Nvidia drivers are on non-free, which desktop-live doesn't have. | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | nope, no ppp and no pppoe | 15:02 |
| onefang | Explains why network wasn't working then. | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | right, you have to enable contrib and non-free | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | what network hardware? | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | non-free wireless drivers are already installed in both the live isos (desktop and minimal) | 15:03 |
| onefang | I have FTTH. | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | what's that? | 15:03 |
| onefang | Fibre To The Home. | 15:03 |
| onefang | Also known as FTTP, Premises. | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | no, I mean what hardware on the computer? NIC | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | broadcom? | 15:04 |
| onefang | There's two, and I have no idea. Something I bought over a decade ago, and what ever came on the motherboard. Never had to do anything special. | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | you using wired or wireless connection? | 15:05 |
| onefang | RTL-8100/8101L/8139 | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | that should work out of the box | 15:06 |
| onefang | Wired connection to the NTD, fibre from there. | 15:06 |
| onefang | Yep, so long as ppp is installed, it just works. | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | oh | 15:06 |
| onefang | Or pppoe to be precise. | 15:06 |
| onefang | I can copy the .deb to it and install it. | 15:06 |
| onefang | Hmmm, the ppp deb is there, and there is an /etc/ppp directory. | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | deb is where? | 15:09 |
| onefang | Oops, I was looking in the wrong disk. lol | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | there is /etc/ppp in the desktop live - I'm looking at it | 15:10 |
| onefang | Yep, but no deb, and no ppp installed. | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | oh, /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4 | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | that's all | 15:11 |
| onefang | Likely installed by exim4. | 15:11 |
| amesser | onefang: when using the nvida driver you shouldn't get "appear not to be DRI2 capable" | 15:11 |
| onefang | I'm well aware of that, I said I'd been tearing my hair over it for days. | 15:12 |
| amesser | as far as i know nvidia ships its own libgl, it does not care about DRI | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | the package list in the desktop-live mostly reflect what you get from the installer isos for xfce desktop | 15:12 |
| amesser | probably the mesa libGL was loaded instead of the nvidia opne | 15:12 |
| amesser | but mesa libGL wont work with nvidia drivers | 15:13 |
| onefang | So nuke mesa then? | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | blacklist nouveau? | 15:13 |
| onefang | nvidia drivers blaclist nouveau on instal. | 15:13 |
| amesser | try it. i think it should have been uninstalled automatically be means of package conflicts, but maybe this didn't work | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. That's why I thought I did it last time I used nvidia | 15:14 |
| amesser | have too leave now | 15:14 |
| amesser | to | 15:14 |
| amesser | brb | 15:14 |
| onefang | OK, I'll sort out the desktop-live pp later. | 15:14 |
| onefang | See you. | 15:14 |
| onefang | Time to fiddle with graphics again. | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | refracta isos have ppp installed | 15:15 |
| onefang | /usr/sbin/pppd isn't on the partition refracta installed to. | 15:23 |
| onefang | BRB, gotta restart X. | 15:23 |
| onefang | Having removed all things mesa that didn't want to remove half my OS, glxgears is no longer installed, but the real OpenGL stuff I want to use still doesn't work. Same errors. | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | maybe talk to gnarface in #devuan. He knows this stuff. | 15:31 |
| onefang | Right now I'm gonna try installing ppp on the desktop-live install, then nvidia-driver, and see what happens. Might turn up a subtle difference between that and my debootstrap install. | 15:34 |
| onefang | If that fails, I'll chat with gnarface. | 15:34 |
| onefang | Thanks for your help every one. Back later. | 15:35 |
| onefang | OpenGL SORTED! FFS | 17:18 |
| onefang | That was a showstopper for me. | 17:19 |
| onefang | First of all, don't use the backported nvidia drivers. Secondly install libgl1-nvidia-glx, in fact no need to install anything else, it drags in the rest as dependencies. | 17:20 |
| parazyd | mesa it is ;) | 17:27 |
| parazyd | Oh, no actually. That one's something else. | 17:28 |
| onefang | Yeah, Debian's nVidia support is a real messa. B-) | 17:28 |
| parazyd | :P | 17:28 |
| onefang | I was misled somewhat by the Debian docs, but that was only half the story. | 17:29 |
| onefang | I should reinstall ASCII from scratch using my fixed debootstrap script, to clean up my own messa, but I can't be buggered right now. | 17:31 |
| onefang | Now I can use my OpenSim viewers with the graphics cranked all the way up again. Well, except for DoF, I never saw the point in deliberately making things blurry. | 17:36 |
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